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Gorillas and Deja Vu. In Defense of EdieVP

Post by ZiLe on Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:41 pm

Excuse me, I know you're trying to ignore that 800 pound gorilla over there but it's mean and it doesn't like you.

And it's not going away.

It intends to destroy you.

I know, I know-you need to work on THE ISSUES. 2014 is a big year, and you have lots of tweeting to do on THE ISSUES.

But guess what, that gorilla IS an ISSUE.
While you ignore it, it's smearing UB's reputation, it's harassing and intimidating members or trying to convince them to quit. It has doxed and threatened members. It took down the UniteBlue website. People are being attacked because of their political beliefs and the political organization they choose to be part of.  That is an ISSUE.

It's been a year and the gorilla is still lurking in the corner. It is always, always looking for a new line of attack. A weakness, a mistake, something it can exploit to create more conflict and inflict more damage. It's done this before. Remember last year? It's deja vu all over again. Actually it's been doing this for 4 years now. That's what this gorilla does. There are now three separate lawsuits that verify this. Three. For harassment and threats.

So if you think by ignoring it long enough the gorilla will disappear, you are mistaken.

Or if you think trying to appease it will make it like you, you are mistaken.

Because it will never like you.

It intends to destroy you.
And now it feels like deja vu. Once again the gorilla has created a contrived conflict and once again the choice was made to appease Trina Denise the gorilla rather than confront it. This didn't work before, it will not work now.

Many people have examined the Romano conflict and believe she was unreasonable, demanding and callous. They know she has a history of crying harassment as she engages in harassing those who disagree with her. Romano launched a spam campaign based on lies and misinformation. Many feel Edie was responding to the spam campaign and justified in doing so. Kicking her out of UniteBlue seems unjust and unwarranted. Particularly since Edie wasn't given an opportunity to defend herself against accusations. Shouldn't an "investigation" involve both sides of the story?

EdieVP was a beta tester for 140dev and probably a member of UniteBlue longer than everybody. She also donated money to UniteBlue. Because of her affiliation with UniteBlue and accusations that she was a member of the Green family, Edie was attacked, harassed and smeared. An adult survivor of sexual abuse, she was both emotionally hurt and outraged when she was labeled a pedophile and a pedophile supporter. She was publicly mocked and attempts were made to humiliate her and destroy her reputation. Yet she remained a member of, and loyal to, UniteBlue. Unfortunately that loyalty was not returned.


If Edie deserved to be thrown out of UniteBlue, wasn't she worth the courtesy of a tweet to inform her? At least one as long as the tweet sent publicly to inform Romano that Edie was no longer a member.

But perhaps not. We wouldn't want to upset the gorilla.
















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It's his to lose

Post by LA_Crystal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:16 am

I would assume Zack has put more into building UB than anyone and is counting on its success more than anyone. That said, he seems to be the decision-maker for the organization.  I can understand him wanting to keep the org above the level of flame wars, but I think the same thing will continue to happen. I suppose the question is whether he can get new members fast enough to replace those he'll lose. Most members will want to ignore it and I'm sure the cycle will repeat until one side or the other gives up.

I liked the idea of UB and enjoyed it until the harassment got to the point that it overshadowed the benefit. I no longer really care all that much whether it survives or not. I think it would be a shame for it to fail since no other organization has really taken on that role. Maybe it's just not a good business model after all.  

Zack did initially try to say he couldn't blame us for striking back (thanks to Caplan's SS tweets for that), but in the end, caved to twitter terrorists demands.

I definitely stand with Edie, but I don't see any corrective action to be taken. I don't think she'd feel comfortable re-joining the organization after such a public oust - I wouldn't! An apology would be nice, but isn't going to undo any damage. The nasty harassing trolls who deny there is any concerted effort to destroy the organization will be shown by incidents like these to be doing exactly that. I think they look hideous in the meantime, going after a group of thousands one tweep at a time. It seems to be their life's fulfillment, so I don't hope much for change. I had false hope when Expatina stated she was ready to give up, but she must have had a change of heart. Too bad.

I expect things will get crazy when Talley is released, but I'm not going into that battle. Defending self and friends against these attacks is all I care to do about it. Sometimes, that does mean I also defend UB because it shows what these trolls are about. I suppose I'm rambling and have said enough.
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Wild monkeys, gorillas and goons

Post by @alasscan_ on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:12 pm

It is always disappointing to watch something that could be great result in something that didn't step up to the level of greatness.

UB was never a cult, or something taking over your twitter account with a 'seeekrit' app like PN & friends continue to say to this day - nor was it ever a Right Wing secret op. It was meant to be a gathering of progressive, liberal, Democrats who were looking forward.  Instead, because of daily attacks, stalking, lies, defamation and harassment, many, (like myself), had to continually look behind them to see who was sneaking into timelines to attack or try to get you suspended.

Many fought long and hard to defend UB in the beginning, and for months. We tried ignoring and the attacks became more vicious and we tried blocking and sock accounts were created to defeat the blocks. So, we stood up and fought back. That isn't what Zach said he wanted us to do. He wanted us to ignore, block and not engage, and that didn't work. He knew it didn't work because it was glaringly apparent in timelines when we were being called pedo supporters, or doxed with private residence addresses put out to twitter. Many of us tried to explain to him that personal reputations, character, in some cases livelihoods and other cases personal safety were being attacked and/or jeopardized on a daily basis. 

He didn't care. It all fell on deaf ears until one of the attack trolls would complain to him in public tweets and he would then, by DM or email tell the UB member to stand down or be quiet and not engage. Never once did he defend or stand up for UB members who were being attacked. That is a major disappointment. He isn't the person I thought him to be. 

A year later and we're all still here despite, or in spite of, the trolls, attacks, lies, and liars and we did it on our own and as a group and not with the help of Zach in any way. He should question his own intelligence or honor in taking that stance but I'm certain he won't.

I am so grateful and feel very blessed to have met so many intelligent, honorable and dedicated people during this past year! We have now, out of self defense, formed a group of friends, not just because there is safety in numbers, but because we actually like and respect each other. At least UB did that - it brought us together, and unlike Zach, we do protect and defend each other. We're still here. Our own followers have grown but UB has not grown like it should for the type of organization it is. UB should have gained far more than 35K followers over this past year. I think the mismanagement and lack of engagement from Zach has allowed it to somewhat flounder where it could have flourished.

Edie and Jan have been the directed target most recently of Denise Romano and her list of wild monkeys and goons, aka, deuce788, expatina, dkchoco, Debbie Caplan, Tarot Darow, or Trot, Osborne, RJ and others. We all saw how desperate that group really is recently, when they allowed someone like gooch into the fold and who fully intended to be the hero but instead became a zero. That outcome isn't unusual for how many things turn out for that group. 

If you get discouraged, remember we all have each other now, and we ARE still HERE! 

That you so very much for all the effort, time and diligence it entails to not only launch this blog, but keep it updated and maintained! You are really quite awesome Zile! Always!
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